gckalafda
03-25 04:30 PM
I have postponed my finger prints when I was in India back in Oct 2007, and I haven't got yet, should I ask them send it again or should I wait untill they send it to me.
I heared some where in the forum that when your comeback to India they took fingerprints at the prot of entry and that is sufficient.
Is that true?
Guru's Please reply if you have any Idea.
I heared some where in the forum that when your comeback to India they took fingerprints at the prot of entry and that is sufficient.
Is that true?
Guru's Please reply if you have any Idea.
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satish_hello
08-28 10:57 PM
any Update?
psaxena
02-25 04:21 PM
Pappu,
Can you make it a sticky note so that the users in all the forums can see the donation stuff and also put on the procedure on how to donate.
FreeRiders,
Thats true there are a lot of free riders and unfortunately they actually make fun of the effort and at the same time jumps first to take the advantage.
Free riders if you are reading this and I know you are, please and please come out of your cheap mentality and donate. You know very well that saving 20$ will not help you build a TajMahal, but donating just 20$ or 50$ will make a huge difference to millions of people INCLUDING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
So don't be ashamed of yourself by not donating and donate generously.
Can you make it a sticky note so that the users in all the forums can see the donation stuff and also put on the procedure on how to donate.
FreeRiders,
Thats true there are a lot of free riders and unfortunately they actually make fun of the effort and at the same time jumps first to take the advantage.
Free riders if you are reading this and I know you are, please and please come out of your cheap mentality and donate. You know very well that saving 20$ will not help you build a TajMahal, but donating just 20$ or 50$ will make a huge difference to millions of people INCLUDING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
So don't be ashamed of yourself by not donating and donate generously.
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GCNaseeb
10-01 06:46 PM
Attorney received all our Receipt Notices today from CSC. Our packet was reached NSC on 7/27. NSC sent the packet to CSC. CSC transferred our I-485 back to NSC on 9/26 as my I-140 was approved from NSC.
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the_googly
08-20 02:17 PM
PD: 03 '05
ND: Jun 26 '08
Card production ordered on August 18, 2008
ND: Jun 26 '08
Card production ordered on August 18, 2008
rbharol
10-25 12:12 PM
Lets wait another two weeks and see who wins :)
If opinion polls and media coverage are any indication, it appears democrats shall rule
the house.
For us the best congress would be the one which passes SKIL bill.
It was unfortunate that despite Republicans ruling the house, they did not even discuss
anything on immigration, specially for high tech skilled workers, even though SKIL was
introduced by Republican leaders.
I hope they do *something* during lame duck session.
If opinion polls and media coverage are any indication, it appears democrats shall rule
the house.
For us the best congress would be the one which passes SKIL bill.
It was unfortunate that despite Republicans ruling the house, they did not even discuss
anything on immigration, specially for high tech skilled workers, even though SKIL was
introduced by Republican leaders.
I hope they do *something* during lame duck session.
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jindhal
09-23 04:29 PM
Dude... Whatz up?
If someone ports from EB3 to EB2, then they deserve to be in the front of the queue. Nothing wrong in the process..
If someone ports from eb3 to eb2 they should get the priority date of the day they were eligible to file an eb2 and not be able to carry the date from eb3.
Porting makes sense in a family based visa where your petitioner can file for an application while he is still a green card holder and then becomes a citizen which upgrades the beneficiary's category as well.
On an employment visa you file for an eb3 when you are eligible for an eb3 job, you file for an eb2 when you are eligible for an eb2 job. Why would you be able to jump ahead in the eb2 line when you were clearly did not have an eb2 job ? Just because you filed an application at some point of time in eb3 and waited a decade to get a better job doesn't mean someone else has to pay for your (pick one - laziness, ineptitude, lack of skill or lack of knowledge).
Most of IV Core is made of eb3 applicants and therefore there has never been any push from the core on this matter. And as someone said .. You ARE eating my lunch..
If someone ports from EB3 to EB2, then they deserve to be in the front of the queue. Nothing wrong in the process..
If someone ports from eb3 to eb2 they should get the priority date of the day they were eligible to file an eb2 and not be able to carry the date from eb3.
Porting makes sense in a family based visa where your petitioner can file for an application while he is still a green card holder and then becomes a citizen which upgrades the beneficiary's category as well.
On an employment visa you file for an eb3 when you are eligible for an eb3 job, you file for an eb2 when you are eligible for an eb2 job. Why would you be able to jump ahead in the eb2 line when you were clearly did not have an eb2 job ? Just because you filed an application at some point of time in eb3 and waited a decade to get a better job doesn't mean someone else has to pay for your (pick one - laziness, ineptitude, lack of skill or lack of knowledge).
Most of IV Core is made of eb3 applicants and therefore there has never been any push from the core on this matter. And as someone said .. You ARE eating my lunch..
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Macaca
07-08 09:49 PM
only 27% of the annual quota is released Oct 1
the first 3 quarters cannot use more than 27% each
that is the whole issue
on the first working day of the month/quarter, where were the remaining 19%
that should be available by law?
how can they allot them on sunday (july 1)? if so they must be willing to accept my application on sunday too...
This is a law violation and I have URL for it. In fact, the law also says that there is a 10% quota for each month.
As I have posted earlier there are other issues. Thus, this is another issue and not the whole issue.
Pursuing this issue and violations of name checking does not get us much. They can cancel some GCs issued but still not accept July AOSs.
We need to concentrate on issues that support accepting July AOSs.
the first 3 quarters cannot use more than 27% each
that is the whole issue
on the first working day of the month/quarter, where were the remaining 19%
that should be available by law?
how can they allot them on sunday (july 1)? if so they must be willing to accept my application on sunday too...
This is a law violation and I have URL for it. In fact, the law also says that there is a 10% quota for each month.
As I have posted earlier there are other issues. Thus, this is another issue and not the whole issue.
Pursuing this issue and violations of name checking does not get us much. They can cancel some GCs issued but still not accept July AOSs.
We need to concentrate on issues that support accepting July AOSs.
more...
485Mbe4001
09-09 07:26 PM
<Rant>There is not mistake, i always feel that there is some @#$hole at the USCIS or state dept whose only goal in life is to get a sadistic kick by toying with the dates. How can these @#$@#@'s not realize that there is a person behind each visa number </Rant>
Like my title says - Could it be a mistake on their part for EB3 I ? Was it meant to be 15th April 2002 ?
In March of This year it was 15th Oct 2001. Then it goes to U for untli Oct and now its 15th April 2001 (gone back 6 months !!!!) This seems odd for a new fiscal year with new Visa Quota however small EB3I may be - are there still that many 2000-2001 applications pre-adjudicated in the system waiting for a visa that they had to roll it back ?
Like my title says - Could it be a mistake on their part for EB3 I ? Was it meant to be 15th April 2002 ?
In March of This year it was 15th Oct 2001. Then it goes to U for untli Oct and now its 15th April 2001 (gone back 6 months !!!!) This seems odd for a new fiscal year with new Visa Quota however small EB3I may be - are there still that many 2000-2001 applications pre-adjudicated in the system waiting for a visa that they had to roll it back ?
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h1bmajdoor
09-30 12:59 PM
I have recently been talking to members who have already filed I485 and have used AC21 to change jobs. I noted some limitations people face while changing jobs, getting higher salaries, making use of AC21 for changing more than 1 job.. etc etc.
It seems there is lack of information on this subject. Let us use this thread to
- share expeiences
- List issues you have all faced so that IV can have this information while working on advocay efforts.
- Make others aware of your problems and do's and don'ts in the community.
- Interpretation of various lawyers on this and how they have helped you solve your difficult situations.
Hope this information will help everyone
AFAIK there is no "more than 1 job change" regulation. You can change as many times as you want.
There is no need to inform INS. If you wish to be _extra_ safe you may, but be aware that "any information you provide will be used against you". Don't try to be more patriotic than the king.
As far a salary goes, AFAIK you have to make as much as the LC requires you to.
The job description has to be "similar". I guess that means if you were writing C++, you can't start driving a truck.
It seems there is lack of information on this subject. Let us use this thread to
- share expeiences
- List issues you have all faced so that IV can have this information while working on advocay efforts.
- Make others aware of your problems and do's and don'ts in the community.
- Interpretation of various lawyers on this and how they have helped you solve your difficult situations.
Hope this information will help everyone
AFAIK there is no "more than 1 job change" regulation. You can change as many times as you want.
There is no need to inform INS. If you wish to be _extra_ safe you may, but be aware that "any information you provide will be used against you". Don't try to be more patriotic than the king.
As far a salary goes, AFAIK you have to make as much as the LC requires you to.
The job description has to be "similar". I guess that means if you were writing C++, you can't start driving a truck.
more...
sankap
07-09 11:58 PM
@desi3933:
1. From tax standpoint, W2 means the company (which could be fully/partly owned by you) is paying tax-at-source. On 1099, *you* do the taxes and hence the hourly rate on 1099 is typically more than that on W2. In fact, many staffing companies give you the option of working on a project or 1099 or W2. (Of course, the advantage of working on W2 is you can "transfer" your H-1B, if the company is willing to do that. But the advantage of working on 1099 or LLC is that you can deduct your business expenses, as a "Self-employed" or a Corporation.) Yes, you can be an owner of a corporation and file taxes as as a C-Corp or an S-Corp on W2, but not as a "Self-employed."
2. True, your I-140 petition is for a "permanent" (definition needed) and FT job, since the sponsoring company has (supposedly) an "intent" to hire the petitioner in the future. *But* AC21 provision helps you to change employers after 180 days of filing I-485, if your I-140 is approved. The new job has to be "same or similar" to the occupation your I-140 petition was filed for. The "permanent" intent of the original employer disappears under AC21 because you changed employers (or your original employer withdrew I-140, even though he had genuine "intent" at the time of I-140 filing to hire you in the future). I agree that "any memo (including Yates memo) supplements the existing federal regulations," but the Yates memo gives you the AC21 provision, which was a law signed by Pres. Bush.
3. It is wrong to *infer* that "AC-21 job must be of same type as I-140/labor job, hence must be permanent and full time." As I say in 2. above, the employer who filed your I-140 should have intent, *at I-140 filing time*, to hire you in the future. And that intent is not needed after 180 days of filing I-485 *and* approved I-140, regardless of whether your original employer continues or withdraws your I-140 petition.
4. You're wrong in your example of "A job with 6 year contract is a temporary job." I've often seen many "6-month contracts" getting extended to 1, 2, 3 years or indefinitely. Likewise, a "permanent" job may last a few months (e.g., because of a recession).
5. It is true that "all H-1B jobs are temporary in nature and called guest workers," but H-1B (compared with, say TN-1) is a dual intent visa. Once you file I-140, your intent (whether on H1 or EAD) becomes not that of a temporary visitor but as the one seeking a permanent stay in this country.
6. Again, it's wrong to assume that "most of full time exempt jobs in this country are permanent in nature." And even if they were permanent, in what sense?
7. On the link you cite, OFLC Frequently Asked Questions and Answers, the process for filing PERM is explained. The employer needs to fill out the Application for Permanent Employment Certification form. The PERM representation requirement does indeed say that "The job opportunity is for full-time, permanent employment for an employer other than the alien." First, how to judge a job as "permanent?" Second, just because the PERM has the requirement for a FT, "permanent" job, it doesn't imply that the "permanent" requirement would apply to the AC21 law.
I think we're running into into two issues here. The first one is related to semantics--i.e., what constitutes a "permanent" job? The second one is the *inference/assumption* that, because because I-140 requires you to be on a permanent, FT job (=sponsoring employer has "intent" to hire you in the future), your employment under AC21 provision should be "permanent".
7. Since you're *not* required to inform USCIS on your job changes, why "file AC21" (and stir things), or advise people to do so?
Sankap -
Please allow me to explain this in detail. Please feel free to verify this information with attorney of your choice.
1. W2 Self Employed simply means that one has controlling equity in the employer company. For example - I am employed by corp that is, in part, owned by me since I hold a % of shares. I get paid on W2, just like any other employee in the corp.
2. Any memo (including Yates memo) supplements the existing federal regulations. They do not replace them. In any case, memo does not have force of law. In case of contradictory info, memo must "bow" to federal regulations and court rulings.
3. I-140 is for permanent and full time job only. See Page 5 of
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-140instr.pdf
4. Also, read this. It says 'Permanent Employment'
OFLC Frequently Asked Questions and Answers (http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/faqsanswers.cfm#effdate1)
5. AC-21 job must be of same type as I-140/labor job, hence must be permanent and full time.
6. Permanent Job does not mean "forever", It simply means that duration of employment is not known. A job with 6 year contract is a temporary job (since duration is known), hence all H-1B jobs are temporary in nature and called guest workers. A permanent can be terminated at any time, at will, or as agreed notice by both parties.
7. One is not required to notify AC-21 job, but should e ready to respond to EVL RFE that can come any time.
8. Most of the full time exempt jobs in this country are permanent in nature.
___________________
Not a legal advice.
1. From tax standpoint, W2 means the company (which could be fully/partly owned by you) is paying tax-at-source. On 1099, *you* do the taxes and hence the hourly rate on 1099 is typically more than that on W2. In fact, many staffing companies give you the option of working on a project or 1099 or W2. (Of course, the advantage of working on W2 is you can "transfer" your H-1B, if the company is willing to do that. But the advantage of working on 1099 or LLC is that you can deduct your business expenses, as a "Self-employed" or a Corporation.) Yes, you can be an owner of a corporation and file taxes as as a C-Corp or an S-Corp on W2, but not as a "Self-employed."
2. True, your I-140 petition is for a "permanent" (definition needed) and FT job, since the sponsoring company has (supposedly) an "intent" to hire the petitioner in the future. *But* AC21 provision helps you to change employers after 180 days of filing I-485, if your I-140 is approved. The new job has to be "same or similar" to the occupation your I-140 petition was filed for. The "permanent" intent of the original employer disappears under AC21 because you changed employers (or your original employer withdrew I-140, even though he had genuine "intent" at the time of I-140 filing to hire you in the future). I agree that "any memo (including Yates memo) supplements the existing federal regulations," but the Yates memo gives you the AC21 provision, which was a law signed by Pres. Bush.
3. It is wrong to *infer* that "AC-21 job must be of same type as I-140/labor job, hence must be permanent and full time." As I say in 2. above, the employer who filed your I-140 should have intent, *at I-140 filing time*, to hire you in the future. And that intent is not needed after 180 days of filing I-485 *and* approved I-140, regardless of whether your original employer continues or withdraws your I-140 petition.
4. You're wrong in your example of "A job with 6 year contract is a temporary job." I've often seen many "6-month contracts" getting extended to 1, 2, 3 years or indefinitely. Likewise, a "permanent" job may last a few months (e.g., because of a recession).
5. It is true that "all H-1B jobs are temporary in nature and called guest workers," but H-1B (compared with, say TN-1) is a dual intent visa. Once you file I-140, your intent (whether on H1 or EAD) becomes not that of a temporary visitor but as the one seeking a permanent stay in this country.
6. Again, it's wrong to assume that "most of full time exempt jobs in this country are permanent in nature." And even if they were permanent, in what sense?
7. On the link you cite, OFLC Frequently Asked Questions and Answers, the process for filing PERM is explained. The employer needs to fill out the Application for Permanent Employment Certification form. The PERM representation requirement does indeed say that "The job opportunity is for full-time, permanent employment for an employer other than the alien." First, how to judge a job as "permanent?" Second, just because the PERM has the requirement for a FT, "permanent" job, it doesn't imply that the "permanent" requirement would apply to the AC21 law.
I think we're running into into two issues here. The first one is related to semantics--i.e., what constitutes a "permanent" job? The second one is the *inference/assumption* that, because because I-140 requires you to be on a permanent, FT job (=sponsoring employer has "intent" to hire you in the future), your employment under AC21 provision should be "permanent".
7. Since you're *not* required to inform USCIS on your job changes, why "file AC21" (and stir things), or advise people to do so?
Sankap -
Please allow me to explain this in detail. Please feel free to verify this information with attorney of your choice.
1. W2 Self Employed simply means that one has controlling equity in the employer company. For example - I am employed by corp that is, in part, owned by me since I hold a % of shares. I get paid on W2, just like any other employee in the corp.
2. Any memo (including Yates memo) supplements the existing federal regulations. They do not replace them. In any case, memo does not have force of law. In case of contradictory info, memo must "bow" to federal regulations and court rulings.
3. I-140 is for permanent and full time job only. See Page 5 of
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-140instr.pdf
4. Also, read this. It says 'Permanent Employment'
OFLC Frequently Asked Questions and Answers (http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/faqsanswers.cfm#effdate1)
5. AC-21 job must be of same type as I-140/labor job, hence must be permanent and full time.
6. Permanent Job does not mean "forever", It simply means that duration of employment is not known. A job with 6 year contract is a temporary job (since duration is known), hence all H-1B jobs are temporary in nature and called guest workers. A permanent can be terminated at any time, at will, or as agreed notice by both parties.
7. One is not required to notify AC-21 job, but should e ready to respond to EVL RFE that can come any time.
8. Most of the full time exempt jobs in this country are permanent in nature.
___________________
Not a legal advice.
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buddyinsd
08-26 02:58 PM
OK Thanks. And any recent LUD on 485 and already approved EAD (such as 08/21/2010 as most of us got)? Just trying to derive some pattern here...
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acecupid
07-11 07:49 PM
I agree absolutely. Living right here near DC and being a victim of the present USCIS mess, I still did not know about this campaign until a family member from India mentioned about it after reading it in the local newspaper.
I quickly signed up on this site and sent the flowers to be delivered yesterday.
Interesting... Welcome to the gang !:D
I quickly signed up on this site and sent the flowers to be delivered yesterday.
Interesting... Welcome to the gang !:D
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h1bmajdoor
09-30 12:59 PM
I have recently been talking to members who have already filed I485 and have used AC21 to change jobs. I noted some limitations people face while changing jobs, getting higher salaries, making use of AC21 for changing more than 1 job.. etc etc.
It seems there is lack of information on this subject. Let us use this thread to
- share expeiences
- List issues you have all faced so that IV can have this information while working on advocay efforts.
- Make others aware of your problems and do's and don'ts in the community.
- Interpretation of various lawyers on this and how they have helped you solve your difficult situations.
Hope this information will help everyone
AFAIK there is no "more than 1 job change" regulation. You can change as many times as you want.
There is no need to inform INS. If you wish to be _extra_ safe you may, but be aware that "any information you provide will be used against you". Don't try to be more patriotic than the king.
As far a salary goes, AFAIK you have to make as much as the LC requires you to.
The job description has to be "similar". I guess that means if you were writing C++, you can't start driving a truck.
It seems there is lack of information on this subject. Let us use this thread to
- share expeiences
- List issues you have all faced so that IV can have this information while working on advocay efforts.
- Make others aware of your problems and do's and don'ts in the community.
- Interpretation of various lawyers on this and how they have helped you solve your difficult situations.
Hope this information will help everyone
AFAIK there is no "more than 1 job change" regulation. You can change as many times as you want.
There is no need to inform INS. If you wish to be _extra_ safe you may, but be aware that "any information you provide will be used against you". Don't try to be more patriotic than the king.
As far a salary goes, AFAIK you have to make as much as the LC requires you to.
The job description has to be "similar". I guess that means if you were writing C++, you can't start driving a truck.
more...
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gc_maine2
07-02 09:27 AM
I understand your frustation.. use caution while while writing.. don't use bad lang...
I'm in very similar situation. My dates were available for June as well. My HR/Attorneys did this long and painful bureaucratic process. We have an internal website which says that my case was �filed� on Jun-29th. Don�t know what the fuck that means. Whether it was sent on 29th or received on 29th? Couldn�t get HR to answer.Don�t have direct communication lines with Attorneys... If it�s sent on 29th, does USCIS take packages on Saturday or Sunday? If they take only on Monday, will they throw it out because it reached in July? Oh well, just have to wait and see...
I'm in very similar situation. My dates were available for June as well. My HR/Attorneys did this long and painful bureaucratic process. We have an internal website which says that my case was �filed� on Jun-29th. Don�t know what the fuck that means. Whether it was sent on 29th or received on 29th? Couldn�t get HR to answer.Don�t have direct communication lines with Attorneys... If it�s sent on 29th, does USCIS take packages on Saturday or Sunday? If they take only on Monday, will they throw it out because it reached in July? Oh well, just have to wait and see...
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dan4gc
05-23 12:20 PM
California senators :
Barbara Boxer http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm
Diane Fienstien http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.Emailme
Barbara Boxer http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm
Diane Fienstien http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.Emailme
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GCKaIntezar
06-07 11:21 AM
reddymjm,
I will have to check with my attorney. But, my I-140 approval came from TSC but my I-485 application was sent to NSC.
If anyone else has had a similar experience, please post your update here.
Thanks.
Per my attorney - If the I140 approval came from TSC, you can send your AOS to TSC directly. Hope this helps.
I will have to check with my attorney. But, my I-140 approval came from TSC but my I-485 application was sent to NSC.
If anyone else has had a similar experience, please post your update here.
Thanks.
Per my attorney - If the I140 approval came from TSC, you can send your AOS to TSC directly. Hope this helps.
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neerajkandhari
10-08 07:06 PM
I am july 2 filer
I believe 180 days are over around 31 dec 2007 for using AC21
I am planning to quit my job and go to india for max 3 mnths
I have a job offer and they are ready to hire me from 1 april 2008
what precautions should i take so i dont have problems while coming back
I am planning to use AP
I believe 180 days are over around 31 dec 2007 for using AC21
I am planning to quit my job and go to india for max 3 mnths
I have a job offer and they are ready to hire me from 1 april 2008
what precautions should i take so i dont have problems while coming back
I am planning to use AP
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sankap
07-10 06:27 PM
Chandu,
I've no problems you or anybody else challenging me--we're all (mostly) scientists/engineers here, so making assumptions based on observations, and challenging them, should be the first step toward creating a hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method). But science seeks evidence for those assumptions. Staying clear of traps like fallacies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy) should help.
Ok, i am not challenging you or your interpretations. I am looking into all options.
I've no problems you or anybody else challenging me--we're all (mostly) scientists/engineers here, so making assumptions based on observations, and challenging them, should be the first step toward creating a hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method). But science seeks evidence for those assumptions. Staying clear of traps like fallacies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy) should help.
Ok, i am not challenging you or your interpretations. I am looking into all options.
desi3933
06-28 07:08 AM
A note to my fellow IV members - I am not after the $42/Hr job. Good luck in finding a US citizen to do this job. I was wrong about EEO, it is actually IRCA which prohibits discrimination in recruitment and hiring.
Best Practices for hiring workers from Department of Justice (http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/htm/best_practices.htm)
Thanks, Walking_Dude, for putting this link.
As per web page on this link -Do allow all employees (including non-U.S. citizens) to provide any permissible documents to establish their identity or work authorization during the employment verification process.This will exclude applicants on H-1B visa status as they don't have work authorization to work for the new employer.
However, as I said before, Employer can not discriminate between GC holder, EAD, and OPT holder.
.
Best Practices for hiring workers from Department of Justice (http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/htm/best_practices.htm)
Thanks, Walking_Dude, for putting this link.
As per web page on this link -Do allow all employees (including non-U.S. citizens) to provide any permissible documents to establish their identity or work authorization during the employment verification process.This will exclude applicants on H-1B visa status as they don't have work authorization to work for the new employer.
However, as I said before, Employer can not discriminate between GC holder, EAD, and OPT holder.
.
eb3_nepa
07-05 10:58 AM
Guys inorder for DOS or DHS or USCIS to get the message they will FIRST and FOREMOST have to understand WHO Gandhi is. For that we will have to attach a few pages of documentation about Mahatma Gandhi. By the time the message gets to the correct person's hands AND he/she understands the true meaning of the message, the person will think we insulted them, coz the the flowers will be dead and dried up and STINKY.
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